I have come across Jews who are so liberal and they needed to show how liberal they are like the ADL , the Jewish Federations putting the OTHER rather then the Important but wanting the Important people to give them donations. The Important being the Jew and this is why I am not a member of the " Jewish Establishment"
But the wave maker is here and exposing the myth .
My Grandparents, may they rest in peace who I loved dearly were the Jewish Victims of the Egyptian Muslims and with the Coptic Pope helped the Muslims round up Jews in the late 1800's and burn the villages and the Synagogues down in the name of Jesus and the Muslims in the name of Allah. As long as Jews have been in Muslim/Coptic Christian countries they were the target . Now that the worm has turned and no more Jews , the Coptic s are blaming anything that happens that it is the fault of the Jews because the Jews now number Zero and have fled or been killed .
They like many of the Christians in the USA want to take the Jewish State of Israel and convert it to Christianity.They are trying to do this here with an imagination that the founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington originally wanted this country to be Christian which again is a bunch of crap. I am going to hear from all you extreme right wing Christians who can not mind their own business with abortion who will be calling me a Commie , a Marxist, a liberal ( all Jews in the world are Liberals) and anti Christian Well you got two out of all these right I am sort of a Liberal, Anti Christian only when I hear BS like Jesus spoke to me...... David Richard Berkowitz heard voices also. So take your meds and call your doctor in the morning and commit yourselves.
Now back to the Coptics I found numerous articles on this wonderful Pope who would like to see each and every Jew die. Please read them carefully I kid you not on this subject.
January 3, 2011, - 3:59 pm
No Tears for Egypt’s Coptic Christians
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/31285/no-tears-for-egypts-coptic-christians/
Many readers have contacted me over the weekend about the Islamic terrorist bombing of Coptic Christian churches in Egypt. And, sorry, but, as I’ve noted before, you’ll get no tears from me over the Copts. Unlike morons and ignoramuses like Scamela Geller, thecar loan fraud scamming (using Muslim straw buyers) multi-millionairess dilettante, I am educated and actually know a lot about the Copts . . . a lot about Copt anti-Semitism and pogroms that this group led against the Jews of Egypt. I’ve addressed the topic before, and it’s unfortunate that I must re-visit it again because there are so many ignorant people. And people never learn.
Coptic Pope Shenouda III:
No Different Than the Most Extremist, Anti-Semitic Muslim Clerics
The bombing of the Copts, as well as many attacks on Copts in Egypt by Muslims over the years, are a great example of how Muslims cannot live in peace with Christians. But they are also a great example of karma. It’s a bitch, and over the weekend, the bitch was Muslim. And what goes around definitely comes around in the case of the Copts. In the case of the Copts versus the Muslims, I view it as I did the Iran-Iraq war and the larger feud between Shi’ite and Sunni Muslims. I wish it could go on forever and that both sides would lose.
The Coptic Pope Shenouda III continues to regularly deliver anti-Semitic sermons and calls Jews “Christ-killers.” And, in July 2008, he told Egypt’s Al-Ahram newspaper:
Jews are a cursed people who have their hands indulged in the blood of Palestinians.
He also forbade all Copts from visiting Jerusalem as long as it “remains occupied,” meaning as long as there are Jews there.
But he is not the first to incite Coptic violence against Jews. In fact, the Copts were not only extremely anti-Semitic (as they continue to be), but they often led the Muslims in pogroms against the Jews of Egypt. There are almost no Jews left in Egypt, and the Copts joined the Muslims in calling for the Jews’ expulsion. Many Jewish homes and property were taken not by Muslims, but by Copts.
As in the case of many Christian groups in the Middle East, the Copts sided with Muslims in their persecution of the Jews. And they bet on the wrong side. Now that bet is coming back to bite them in the ass. And you’ll see no tears or sympathy from me. The Coptic Church was one of the most anti-Semitic churches in the Middle East and the most anti-Israel. It’s not new. And it hasn’t changed.
For instance, Severus Ibn Al-Muqaffa, a layman who became a top Coptic Bishop (the Bishop of Al-Ashmunein) one of the revered figures in Coptic Church history, viciously attacked the Jews and Judaism in his writings. While he often grouped the Jews with Muslims, whom he also hated, he often singled the Jews out for even more extreme hatred. That was in the 900s. And while hatred of the Jews has lessened in many Christian churches in contemporary times, the hatred of Jews in the Coptic church remains strong to date. Most Copts will not openly denounce or disagree with Pope Shenouda’s anti-Semitic incitement. Most of them support Muslim calls for Israel’s destruction.
And, therefore, I couldn’t care less about what the Muslims do to the Copts. Like I said, it’s about evil fighting evil. Let G-d sort it out. I refuse to pick a side in this pit bull fight.
When I wrote about this, last year, Joseph, a 78-year-old Egyptian Jew who was expelled from the country, wrote to congratulate me for getting it right, while so many ignorant Jews and Christians get it wrong because they are so desperate for even the most questionable allies against Muslims and Islam, they refuse to get a clue:
Dear Debbie!I read your article about Muslims killing Copts in Egypt….as i was born in that country…78 years ago…and lived there 26 years…i know enough the attitude of Copts about Jews!Copts were the one that introduced virulent antisemite in Egypt…. becoming more effective when Christians came to that country from Syria and LevanonI dont pretend that Muslims were not antijews…but not so much as they are today!Please excuse my english… I write much better in french…and in hebrew!I wanted to congratulate you and to wish you all the best!Continue!
You are a light for the Jews!all the bestjoseph
If you side with the Copts, it’s no different than siding with Muslims. It’s a “distinction” without a difference.
To those of you who blindly and eagerly seize the moment to cry over the Copts, I dare you to ask your Coptic friends why they embrace a Pope who espouses such vehement anti-Jewish hate.
But even more, I dare them to answer. There simply isn’t an answer. As they say in Latin, “Res Ipsa Loquitur.”
The thing speaks for itself.
And one more thing: the protests, today, by Egypt’s Copts, against the attacks, still embrace the Muslims. Check out what Copts were shouting, as they marched:
A Muslim and a Copt hand in hand to create a new dawn.
Yup, a “new” dawn, where both sides still hate the Jews and want Israel eliminated. Message received … at least by me.
When will the other blind supporters of the Copts, who tolerate their and their Pope’s anti-Semitism, wake up?
Op-Ed: The Egyptian Copts and the Jews: No Illusions
Published: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:24 PM
Egypt's Copts: Uncle Boutros and Uncle Tom. When you are feeling sorry for them, remember that they hate us too.
Not everyone was celebrating the "Arab Spring"…
Don't get me wrong, I too wished for all peoples--Arabs and non-Arabs alike (yes, there are scores of millions of the latter) to finally gain modern-day freedoms in a region ruled for millennia by various imperial powers succeeded, in the modern era, by assorted Arab autocrats, tyrants, and despots.
Still, for those schooled in this area, many had fears and doubts--even if kept to themselves. For such folks, what and who was likely to replace such leadership--despite wishful thinking--was going to be as bad or worse than what was being overthrown.
I wrote about this not long after the Egyptian Arab Spring had sprung. And in that same analysis, I expressed major concerns about what would likely unfold for Egypt's native, pre-Arab/non-Arab people, the Copts.
Well, I truly hate to have to say that I told you so, but--since that earlier article was written--Coptic Churches have indeed been burned down, and Copts have been murdered, maimed, and intimidated at an accelerated pace. The situation has deteriorated, and it always has been tenuous and iffy for all native, non-Arab (and especially non-Muslim) populations living in Arab-conquered lands, the dhimmis.
While dhimmitude primarily refers to the plight of conquered, native Christian and Jewish populations (the People of the Book), Arab subjugating racist attitudes often also extended to those non-Arab peoples who--in order to jump on the winning bandwagon, escape special taxation, and so forth--became Muslims.
And those who were not ahl al-Kitab most often either converted or were massacred. Think Hindus, Sikhs, and Buddhists, in particular, as jihad was waged in the name of the Dar ul-Islam to points east.
Since dozens of Copts were recently murdered and deliberately mowed down in the streets, the plight of these folks in Egypt deserves further attention…
While there are Berbers in the west, black Nubians in the south, and once upon a time Egypt had a substantial population of native Jews, the Copts are by far the largest pre-Arab, non-Arab population in the land. They are the native people, descendants of the Pharaohs, who, after being subjected to the rule of the hated Byzantines, were conquered in the 7th century C. E. as Arabs burst out of the Arabian Peninsula and spread in all directions.
Today, there are probably somewhere between ten and thirteen million Copts in Egypt--depending upon whose numbers you use. As Christians, they, with the Jews, were tolerated, to a degree, as "People of the Book"--as long as certain rules of the conquering Arab Muslim road were adhered to. The latter have been referred to asdhimmitude.
The best approach for the Copts over the centuries has been to keep a low profile, pay the obligatory special taxes, prove usefulness, quietly accept a perpetual, subservient status, and find ways to ingratiate and prove loyalty to the Arab Muslim majority and its rulers.
The best approach for the Copts over the centuries has been to keep a low profile, pay the obligatory special taxes, prove usefulness, quietly accept a perpetual, subservient status, and find ways to ingratiate and prove loyalty to the Arab Muslim majority and its rulers.
In Amos Elon’s Flight Into Egypt (New York, 1980), he reviewed encounters with the late President Sadat’s Foreign Minister, Dr. Boutros Boutros-Ghali. The latter would later become Secretary General of the United Nations.
A Copt, it was largely believed that Boutros-Ghali was selected by Sadat for this post precisely because of his unquestioned, assured loyalty. Centuries ofdhimmitude could be expected to have done its thing…and it did.
Follow carefully some excerpts regarding this famous Copt’s advice to Elon, a prominent Israeli journalist:
In his office, there is a map of the Middle East on which Israel is still blacked out…Israel must integrate by accepting the nature of the area…that nature that is Arab…In a tape of a long discourse delivered in 1975 to Professor Brecher he proclaimed that…in the vast area between the Persian Gulf and the Atlantic Ocean everyone had to be Arab or risk continuing strife…Still, Boutros-Ghali felt that there might be a solution. How?…Well, Israel could become an Arab country. Most Israelis were (Jewish)immigrants from Arab countries anyway (pp.84-91).
To learn more about all of this, other scholars, besides the essential Egyptian Jewish scholar, Bat Ye’or, have also made important contributions. One, in particular, Professor Albert Memmi, a Tunisian Jew, wrote a short but powerful work also exposing firsthand, like Bat Ye’or, dhimmitude--and what needs to be done about it. Memmi supported Tunisia’s struggle for independence from France, and the mere four lines on the opening page to his book, Jews And Arabs, say it all…
To my Jewish brothers
To my Arab brothers
so that we can all
be free men at last…
Compare this Jewish call for mutual respect to Boutros-Ghali’s, the Copt's, pathetic advice.
In contrast to Copts who daily fear for their very lives in Egypt, a reading of what they have to say about these things when they flee abroad is telling as well.
In 1852, Harriet Beecher Stowe authored a famous antislavery novel, Uncle Tom’s Cabin, in which she wrote of the blacks’ expected servile behavior towards their white masters.
Unfortunately, as we've seen in the words of Sadat's Foreign Minister, this is also the Arabs’ predominant idea of “tolerance”…creating scores of millions of Uncle Boutroses--be they Copts, Kurds, black Africans, "Berbers," native kilab yahud (Jew dogs), pre-Arab Lebanese, etc. and so forth.
Given their own tragic plight in a land where their ancestors lived and ruled for millennia before Arabs ever invaded and conquered both, the Copts' attitude to Jews too often gets whisked under the rug--for a number of reasons. Since my wish is for a better future for all of the region's diverse peoples, I won't remain silent.
You see, if there are problems with the Arab Spring regarding freedom, democracy, and such due to Muslim intolerance and the rise of Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, then the following nasty reality must also be addressed…
Simply put, non-Arab, Christian Copts don't need Arab Muslims to teach them how to hate Jews...Their own faith has taught them to hate the G-d-killers for centuries before Islam's Muhammad ever entered into the picture.
As just one example of the problem, Saint John Chrysostom of Antioch--one of the early Church Fathers, is beloved among the Copts. Here's a taste of Chrysostom's teaching in Homily 1, some sixteen centuries ago.
The Jewish people were driven by their drunkenness and plumpness to the ultimate evil; they kicked about, they failed to accept the yoke of Christ, nor did they pull the plow of his teaching. Another prophet hinted at this when he said: "Israel is as obstinate as a stubborn heifer " ...Although such beasts are unfit for work, they are fit for killing. And this is what happened to the Jews: while they were making themselves unfit for work, they grew fit for slaughter. This is why Christ said: "But as for these my enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them."
Here's an excerpt from Homily 6...
You {Jews} did slay Christ, you did lift violent hands against the Master, you did spill his precious blood. This is why you have no chance for atonement, excuse, or defense.
And, moving into modern times, listening to the Copts' Pope Shenouda III is like hearing a speech from the best anti-Semites of any stripe have to offer.
So,Copts have been taught by their religious leaders to join their own often murderous, abusive Arab neighbors in their mutual antagonism of the Jew:
Besides joining their fellow Muslim Arab Egyptian neighbors in targeting a common, demonized enemy (to help divert attention away from their own vulnerable positions), an even earlier animus towards the alleged G-d-killers has been ever present as well.
At a time when the lives of Egypt's truly native people are becoming increasingly endangered due to Muslim intolerance, is it not long overdue for the Copts to realize that they and the Jews are two of the region's most ancient peoples and that they should finally overcome their Jew hatred?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10797#.UVIeIRzvuSo
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